Mumbles, these jeans have a slimmer hip area so they can be worn slouchy very very well. Basically when they slouch they do not look sloppy, aka no hip flare. Check out how epic Beatle's fits are
stretching info for the lurkers researching
I am a 31 waist and sized up 2 to get the fit I wanted on the thigh/knee/hem. These would have stretched easily more in the thigh if not for my belt.
21oz signature denim overdyed..feels a tad more breathable..but in general the oding gives the denim a super beefy feel and texture. Highly recommended