i'll take that as a maybe

Well we do have the rock and roll hall of fame (never been there)

We used to have a great underground music scene but if we still do i wouldn't know anymore

We are not exactly on the cutting edge of anything here.

wait …
does that mean the first pair is free??

I am new here so I figured i would post in here.

I don't think IH has sold many pairs where I am from.  I don't know if I will be the first but it wouldn't surprise me either.

Thanks JSJ

I was darn near 300lbs at one point a few years back.  Bit I found out I have diabetes and really changed my lifestyle quite a lot.  Besides the 50 lbs of pure fat I lost I have also gained about 30 lbs of muscle
Still a fat/chubby guy but a pretty strong one now.

You look fine and it looks like you got a great fit on those.  Thinking I may need to size down but I want to think about it a bit more now.  I do plan to lose another 20 lbs within the next year and that should put me close to some visible abs (and even closer to 38's) as I plan to keep lifting pretty hard.

I think I just talked myself into waiting a little while and going for the 38's

I know this is a probably the best cut for me since i already read about measuring and measured my favorite pair of jeans up - they are lucky's no laughs please.

JSJ give me some of your stats

I looked u your pic and you look like a medium sized guy to me.

I am 6'2"  and just under 250lbs. I know people bigger but not a lot.

this is the pic i saw in your post history

I was going to go 40" but now I am nervous

most of my jeans are 38" but actual measurement is 40"

Thanks for the great information.

Now a have a bit more food for thought.

Ok I think I am ready to order a my first pair.  I have measured my jeans that I like the fit of best and they are very similar to these but I have a few questions.

I know it says no shrinkage but I want to get these hemmed so how much would you add to get them to end up as close to possible as desired length?  Or do I just order with the measurement I want as the final and they will adjust??

Can someone tell me the difference between these and raw?

Will I be sorry I didn't order the 25 oz version?

My tts is slightly smaller then what i plan to order will they shrink to fit? - I will not size down (yes I have read a lot here