I always get a little confused/borderline irritated when someone apologizes for a long post. Long posts are great. Especially when someone takes the time as you have done to share knowledge and experience.
Thanks for an awesome post.
Yeah honestly no idea why now that I think of it haha 
Thanks…hope it can help others. Will try to post again after a few more weeks of wear.
Just wanted to post an update hoping it might help others with sizing issues (fit pics posted a page or two back). I had sold my w34's and sized down to a w33, asking for the largest thigh measured pair from IH. I wore em for a few days then hot washed (60deg), they sucked up nice but after a few days they felt roomier than they should again. I contacted IH to get advice and they felt based on how I was describing the fit and measurements I could go down to a w32. Which I have, fit pic posted ^. When these arrived I could not get the top button done, like no way. The other areas were pretty snug but the hips & thigh felt ok/doable. After an hour or two walking around the house w/o the top button done up I took em off and the next day, with extreme effort, could get the top button baaarely done. After another day it wasn't that much of struggle to get them on. I am now a week in and the top button can be done up relatively easily and they are pretty comfortable. Snug, but they feel perfect. Overall I could have made the w33 work but I think the w32 is a better fit.
Here is my experience on how the fabric/fit has behaved for me thus far:
Lastly, I can't say enough about the help from Ross at IH. The customer service is unreal. I could have got these way cheaper locally but it is 100% worth doing the due diligence to get the right size to achieve the fit you want.
Sorry for the long post but thought it would be good to share.
P.s. I now have a w33 hemmed to ~28" that wil go up in the FS thread 
I’m guessing the fact you can pull them down when buttoned is due to where the 777 sits on the waist. Since they’re low rise they tend to sit on the wider part of the hips. A higher rise pair (like the 888s) would sit on a narrower part of the waist, depending on body shape of course. I have to wear a belt with my 777s, but don’t really need to with my 888s.
Well yeah kinda, I'd have to wear em up a higher really since theres so much room. Did you find yours sorta slimmed up a bit as they formed to your shape?
Thanks everyone, its a good point about the issue of uncomfortable if sizing down. Dunno, maybe I'm right in between sizes. I can pull then down to my knees when they're fully buttoned up which feels off, but I'll give it some thought. Maybe gives me a good excuse to eat more burgers Thanks again for the input!!
Hey folks, kind of wondering about the fit on these (w34)…looking at the pics (pics suck old phone) they don't seem too off but they are really roomy. Didn't have any issue ever getting these on or buttoning em up and were totally comfortable the second I put them on. Actually surprised how comfortable they are, fabric is sensational!
Given the "stick it out its worth it" comments I've read I'm wondering if I should have sized down possibly? They've been hot soaked and then washed so all shrinkage is sorted. I guess my only concern is with wear they would stretch in the top block and have a bit of a sloppy look, there's def a lot of fabric sagging in the bum zone and I'm only on day 3. Thoughts?
^ A legitimate risk, I've got plenty of spare 21oz for repairs at least haha.
My thinking was that given they've already stretched out a lot after very little stress, a size down would stretch out reasonably after a month or so with real life wear vs holiday sloth mode. I'd prefer the slimmer silhouette if I can.
I measured waist & thigh of my size 31's and they came at 32" and 11.5" respectively. Looking at the w31 and w30 dimensions, it feels doable. Although I suppose theres only one way to find out..yikes!
So I just picked up a pair (;D) of these and not sure if I can/should size down.
I got a size 31 and first wear was snug, but not super tight. After about 3 days of wear (literally lying on the couch doing nothing) they've gotten pretty easy to get into, borderline feeling roomy. Internally debating if I could get a 30 and with the daily cycling I do whether they'd stretch out enough.
Waist is not so much of my concern as is thigh/hip. Sounds like the 21oz stretches where it needs to but curious what people's experience is with thigh/hip areas widening out. Thanks!
Unfortunately these are just too tight in the thigh so if anyone's looking for a size 30 hit me up. Darn it.
Thanks man, wearing them around the house yesterday I was feeling like the thigh was f&%$^ tight, after a soak they could ridiculous. Have you guys found the thigh to come back any post soak? The weave seems pretty tight.
Resized to a 30 and received them today. They feel a lot roomier than than it looks in these pics, but I'll still be cold soaking versus hot. Prob wear them a bit before soaking too just to soften them up a bit.
Pre soak:
Tagged Size 30/36
Waist 32"
Back rise 15"
Front rise 10.25"
Thigh 11.2"
Knee 7.5"
Hem 7.25"
Inseam 38"
