IH-634-XHS - 25oz Selvedge Denim Straight Cut Jeans - Indigo
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@den213 I can't speak for @Giles but I can give you my opinion. That stuff really doesn't matter. Sewn in belt loops are neat, but will never be something that I seek out specifically. In fact, I have a pair of Iron Hearts with sewn in belt loops that annoy me a little when I'm putting my belt on because the belt gets caught at every loop. Lined pockets are a nice touch, but not necessary. Please see my previous post about selvedge. And at the end of the day…. it's the CLASSIC cut. What do you want more selvedge for? To show it off to your friends? Additionally, I don't want all of my IH products to be the same. It's nice that they're all a little different. It shows the craftsmanship and the human element in the design process. Part of what makes Iron Heart a unique company is that input is welcome and accepted, and I know that what I'm buying has been designed to be the best. Selvedge lines, lined pockets, and sewn in belt loops do nothing for the quality of jeans and are clever details but that's where it ends. Function over form dude.
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Also, there are so many other IH models that do have all these added bells and whistles that if they really are important to people it isn't like they don't have a pair of jeans you could buy.
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My thoughts are, since the 634 is that important and well selling, it may include these features, too, so many more people can see / enjoy them. They don't hurt but add even more quality to these already astonishing jeans and its unique denim. I didn't know it lacked those details because they are for me - personally - a trademark of IH that distinguish them from other brands additionally. At the end of the day G and H decide whether they want to update.
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I don't love lined pockets- I live in a hot, humid climate and the extra layer of fabric makes my ass sweat more.
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@den213:
They don't hurt but add even more quality.
How do these details add more quality? Are you saying that the current design is inferior?
I don't love lined pockets- I live in a hot, humid climate and the extra layer of fabric makes my ass sweat more.
Agreed. I like the option to not have them on my classic 634S.
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@den213:
They don't hurt but add even more quality to these already astonishing jeans and its unique denim.
Sure thing. Let me try again with the complete sentence. How do these details add more quality? Are you saying that the current design is inferior? I guess what I'm getting at here, is do extra selvedge lines add to the quality of the jeans? Are you saying that fewer selvedge lines make for a product with decreased quality? When I think of something of quality, I think of it's durability. for expample, a mass produced leather product stitched with a machine isn't at the same quality level of a leather product that's stitched by hand. There's an obvious quality difference there. Do sewn in belt loops add to the quality? Are you saying that because the current 634 design doesn't have this feature that they're of lesser quality? Should I be asking Iron Heart for a refund because my jeans are inferior and will fall apart prematurely at the belt loops?
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JEANS ARE LIFE BRA!!!
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I'm not trying to stoke any fires here, but most of the other 634 models have the details that I was hoping for on the 634-XHS - selvedge fly, sewn-in belt lops, lined rear pockets.
These details do not add to the quality of construction, but are appealing to the wearing - in this case me! Except I think a selvedge fly is a detail that improves quality over a lock-stitched cut edge where the stitching can fray.
I'm not trying to be bitchy, cynical or critical, but where do you draw the line on a design issue like this? What details do you add on on what spin-offs of the base design?
