Revisiting Old Classics - Should We/Shouldn't We?
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IMHO copying the fabrics, cuts and patterns in new colourways is the way to go for IH.
So collectors still can hunt the OG and newbies which are "too lazy" can get the feeling of the older stuff.
But what do I know! H and G decide about the future orientation of this brand.
Just my thoughts don't want to harm anyone.
Enjoy ya addiction!
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Well this is a very good topic and nice to see discussions on it.
I for one am NOT for rerunning classics. Its tough to put into words, but I know when I first got interested in IH and coming on the forum boards it was refreshing to see that the response used to always be; we will not rerun items (not going through old post for quotes) but that was always the response, and I must say I respected that (G and the brand). Made me super interested in the brand and want to hunt for the classics a bit more knowing that they were hard to get. I have been looking for a green 19 since i got into iron heart and my absolute grail piece. However, I would not like to see it rerun still. Once a pattern is done. Call it done. There are always going to be new patterns and colour combos coming up. By needlessly calling for reruns, people are limiting the creative potential that comes with the brand, and Hakari (look at some of the recent ihsh; 107, 87 that have become super popular). If people keep calling for reruns, that limits the possibility of other classics coming out. When you just make the same sh.t over and over it looses its appeal. To me it seems like buffalo plaids have been done to death. Don’t do the same to other patterns. Other colour variants of the classics is a much better option i feel. Its the same as the blue 20 and purple 12; there was always a clamouring for these shirts to be rerun and the answer used to be no. I can see how there would be rerun and am happy for the people that didn’t get them to have the opportunity to do so again, however what i don’t understand why you don’t do a variant to tick several boxes while not completely copying old designs. For example, people call for the viyella check and cookie monster. Why not combine the great color of the cookie monster blue with another patter. Would still be very similar but different. But times change and company views change. I will probably edit this post at some or add further. -
I've always felt the "extinct" list w/sizes and measurements is one of the most unique aspects of the website (brand), among many good things. It automatically fosters the idea for some of collectability and desiribility, while for others remains just a practical tool for buying used items. Any re-issues would seem to be neutral or even increase intrinsic value, to those who care, of their originals, while for others who don't care about that (many I think, especially new customers) give them a chance to get something they might like and missed out on.
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It's clothing, not Fabrege eggs. The value is in the quality, not the rarity. If remaking an old item will make customers happy, then remake it. I don't care if it's a deadstock IHSH-35 or one fresh off the factory floor, I just want one.
The customer base even five years ago was different and smaller than it is now. Hell, for that matter, Giles was running IHUK by himself out of his basement, and now it's expanded and relocated a couple of times and has four full time workers (and yes, I know I'm being generous to count Giles as a "worker"). So the analysis of which things to make extant then was different than it is now, and an item like the IHSH-20 that everyone gets all wobbly kneed about might never have stopped production if it were introduced in 2015 instead of 2010.
Bottom line, I don't think there's any reason for any item to ever stay extinct, other than it being physically impossible to remake.
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we talking about clothing here, clothing, nothing more. Magic, might or might not, happen somewhere else.
Well made, done with love, but you ain't going to get a better standing, whatever kind of respect or super power by owning it.
They might bring you a smile, since you like the design, fabric, fit, quality, feel, don't wanna run around naked, whatever, but that's pretty much is it.Iron Heart have nothing to do with mass production and even if a re-run of whatever item might happen, we are talking about quantities that mass production companies sell in a heartbeat…
There is no harm at all to give the handfull of people, who might never had a first chance to get it, something they now would love and enjoy to own.
Doesn't take away anything at all... not saying that it isn't sometimes fun to rub stuff in, or to show off with a wink...And now I'm going to put my one off IHSH-70 on.... ::)
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I think re-runs are okay if they are ever so different than the original.
I joined the IH party fairly late, so I see some of these classic shirt posts being bumped on the forum and think "wow, I'd love to get my hands on one of those" since there's a lot of stuff that was made at one point and never made again. Some of the herringbone plaids and other shirts are really great, and I think they could be reran with maybe a slightly different color way.
I would understand why some people would be against reruns, but I think it would be cool to pay homage to some classics to see them remade with new, slight variations to keep them different from the originals. -
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Do you value and love the item for the pattern / quality / ect or do you value it because it is rare and it makes you feel good to post pictures of your rare 'og' items on the internet?
I stand with the former - and other people or more people having the same shirt as me does nothing to curtail my enjoyment of IH.
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I should add, bushmonkey has a great point: there is a certain magic that comes with H creating new items without our input. I think, as we've seen in the past few years, we can have a balance between remakes and new H classics.
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Sorry Rafa, but I'm all for re-runs, especially on the classic's. I don't have the time to search the internet high and low for that grail item.I'm relatively new to IH so if I had the chance to grab a new version of say a blue ISH 20, I'd be all over it. I'm not saying all the time, but once in a while it would be good to re-make something that was so popular.
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I think, as we've seen in the past few years, we can have a balance between remakes and new H classics.
Backed.
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Yep I can't see no reason why not remake a classic with a new number.
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Been on both sides… Stalked new items and old on the forums. Picked up a few hard to find pieces. (And I was indeed a happy mf'er for that!) That being said, I'm not a collector. Always will prefer new to used. I dig IH because of the fit and the quality of the construction. I want great clothes. I give a shit about rarity. I realize some do -- but those who see clothes as commodities will always be disappointed by any process or decision that conceivably "devalues" them, such as making more available.
Anyone who has sold/resold used or barely used merch on the net already understands the challenges to the commodity approach. We aren't even talking about thousands of units created, so I am not sure how rarity is even an issue.
I like the compromise approach of rerunning specific items (with new identifying numbers) while pressing forward with new designs. For my part, I would love a shot at a few of the older herringbone shirts, which probably weren't released in high numbers to begin with.
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Quote from a few days back, my last post here. G and H will do whatever they think is right and I'll accept it.
I will never understand that collector's snobism
When I've met the first person wearing any shirt I own outside a denim shop I might change my mind, but until then, I have no problem with 10 other people in my country owning the same stuff as I do.Also, the SH20 hype shows, that an original design will always have a certain mojo.
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If you re-run the black 51 I am cool with it. If you release something similar (black heavy flannel) I am cool with it too.
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I have to echo the sentiments of quite a few people on here. I think a rerun of particular garments is a really good thing for both customers who weren't privy to the brand when the first run was released, or are kicking themselves for not pulling the trigger when the first run came out.
The colors don't necessarily have to be the same, maybe the cut is more in line with the newer pieces, and the name doesn't need to be the same (ex. IH-20V2).
It also avoids the secondary market markup a bit which I view as similar to ticket scalping. Full disclosure, I have paid out the nose for a Mister Freedom Midnight CPO…. Was it worth it? Yes, because it was my absolute grail piece. Would I have paid what I did if I knew there was going to be a re-run? No chance.
I love having clothes that are less than common or tough to borderline impossible to find but I really don't think re-runs would impact how often people are seeing IH around their neck of the woods. I didn't buy the IHSH-131 solely because Giles said only 35 were made..... I would have bought it regardless, and I could really care less if IH decided to make more of them. Do I think it's cool to know I'm one of 35 people in the world to own the shirt? Sure. But if IH decided to make another run I wouldn't feel any different about the shirt and I still doubt I would see another one roaming around where I live.
Not to mention a re-run on a shirt a lot of people talk about wanting seems like a pretty great business decision from IH's perspective.
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I just want to comment out of left field that it's extraordinary to have a forum like this where we can all voice our opinion and be confident that it is being heard and considered by the brand. Whether or not it actually influences anything is incidental, it just is wild to be in the position to be able to comment on the fits and patterns that my favorite brand produces, and feel like my opinion might matter. Crazy.
That said, I know I don't care one way or t'other if the classics are re-issued. If they are, great, easy to grab if I have the dough. If they aren't, then I'll scoop one up if it comes out on the secondhand market. I will probably try to figure out a way to get my faves regardless, and if it doesn't happen to be an old pattern, there's plenty of new fire getting produced, so why worry?
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Is a new iteration the same as a first edition - obviously not.
It is simply a new iteration.
You need the first edition then you seek it out.
You want the new iteration of the original then here you go.
