Coronavirus (Covid-19) Discussion
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I personally have adopted a behavior that goes beyond the local rules. I have no problem with people choosing to go overboard too. Based on what we know currently, it is quite clear that meeting someone outdoors is no problem with reasonable rules (6ft apart). Going to say goodbye in person to someone dying of COVID inside an hospital is a completely different ball game and is quite risky.
My issues are with:
(1) Government enacting & enforcing stupid, ineffective laws (perfect example of this: beach closing).
(2) Individuals putting blame on others for adopting a different but still reasonable behavior. -
Four weeks ago.
My wife nans passed away… few days later her brother die.. who was fit. Bury her sister... before his time was up.
Just had a phone call from my in laws today a 38 years die of covid.
Every other day someone is dying...
That all I hear every other day...
Even when you go to the hospital they says come alone for the appointment if you can, unless a kid or a carer needs help.
Pregnant women only allowed person at birth.
For covid
Just like Giles said it hash they don’t let you see anybody..
my dear Paula stay strong..Just a shit time really.
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Twenty people inside a craft brewery: INCONCEIVABLE
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Seems like following guidelines to reduce transmission and death is cooler than other options.
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Paula lost her mum and bother recently. She could not see them. It was shit, and she is troubled by that, but going to see them would have placed her at risk, and therefore others.
Dam that is awful. Please send her our love.
It’s been a awful year for so many.
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I think at least one thing we can all surely agree on, regardless of where on the planet we live is that covid is effecting us all in deeply personal ways now, beyond the headlines we read. That makes it very emotive, and I'd suggest caution in how we discuss the issues we've experienced. I'm not talking censorship, I'm talking responsibility and consideration.
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Everything is shut in Germany except supermarkets and churches. I’ve been watching the Corona parties taking place all week across the street from my apartment.
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You can imagine how challenging the covid restrictions are for care homes and their residents who are diagnosed with dementias.
Human rights are sacrosanct to me and I spend my working life ensuring that our rights are maintained regardless of disability.
I respect this righteous challenge. What a difficult task that must be in each individual case. Seeing what it’s done to my mother has been humbling. Helping those you don’t know personally must be even more daunting. Respect.
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That path leads to anarchy and possibly why the UK is a Covid shit-storm.
Uh, is that leading to uh anarchy… in the UK??? (Sorry)
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@adam313 my Grandad died of heart failure age 94.he had a dementia in the later years of his life. It is a vile disease.
I didn't want to sound pious in my posts. We all have a role to play in understanding, containing, and eradicating susceptibility to this virus. We may not all understand or agree the way to do that, but we can show our fellow people humanity and compassion, that includes abiding to the rules determined by the elected officials.
As @giles pointed out, we don't have the same information or resources at our disposals as our decision makers do.
Things such as outdoor meetings between groups may on the face of it seem to be of minimal risk, but unfortunately our thinking might apply to hundreds of other small groups who decide to meet up on the beach, parkland, mountain range on which we've decided to meet our own, harmless, small group…on the same day, at the same time. Pinch points such as car parks and footpaths risk greater exposure when walking past other people., refreshment kiosks attract people wanting a coffee, toilet blocks get used, the list of possibilities goes on.
Because decision makers can't depend on the public making reasoned, sensible decisions, the same rules apply to everyone unilaterally, as all laws do. The majority of people can be trusted not to murder another person. It doesn't mean we shouldn't legislate against murder in the hope that we all adhere to that social construct. Unfortunately the implications of covid apply similarly...a few irresponsible people place the lives of others at risk, therefore we legislate to protect in the longter.
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Legislating against murder is one thing, legislating against pocket knives is another.
Put another way, legislating against drunk driving is one thing. Enacting Prohibition is another. Can we all agree that Prohibition was a bad idea, was ineffective, and increased the overall misery and crime rate…?
Legislating against innocuous behaviors in the hope it will lead to reduction of noxious ones is the first step towards tyranny. This tendency should be fought systematically, everywhere, anytime by thinking members of society.
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No, I do not agree. I'm not sure of your understanding of the domestic legislation making process in the UK? I am not a barrister or judge, but I have contributed to The Law Commission's development and drafting of legislation, and have been cited in their consultations. I have a small idea of the process.
The Public Health Act 1984 already existed before Covid 19.the Act was amended to include the virus as one of the infectious diseases covered. The Corona virus Act was subsequently enacted.
The current legislation and tier restriction are reviewed every 2 weeks in Parliament, and the Act itself expires in 2022. It does not just continue.
Anyone detained under the Act has the right to appeal to a Justice of the Peace (Magistrate).
Our forefathers and mothers fought and died for liberty and freedom, and they are not taken lightly in our democracy despite what parts of the media would suggest. There need to be checks and balances in place for certain, but the UK is not the USA, China, or North Korea. I am reassured that tyranny is a few weeks off yet.
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I do not have the time to get into an intellectual discussion about the loss of liberty and the rise of tyranny. For fucks sake let''s leave that for another day. At the moment we are living through a crisis of unimaginable proportions. This disease is highly contagious, unpredictable and can lead to an awful death. One person I know who died from this, was laughing and joking one day, the next he was having panic attacks and trying to rip off his mask because in his oxygen-deprived state he thought that the thing that was actually supplying him the oxygen was the thing that was restricting his breathing, he was placed in a coma and put in ICU, he suffered a collapsed lung and bounced between 40 and 100% oxygen, every time the doctors tried to reduce his sedation, he started to panic. in the end, he was so physically (let alone mentally) damaged, they had to turn him off. I don't want to die like that, not do I want anyone else to. I don't know how far a sneeze or cough carries outside, I don't know how long the virus lingers on something that a person has touched after sneezing or coughing into their hand. I'm not going to take the risk and I am personally glad that our govt is trying to make sure that fewer of us die, by giving us guidelines. At the moment, I don't give a flying fuck about the loss of liberty or the rise of tyranny, I dont want to die like that.
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My grandmother is currently dying alone with no one around to help her leave this world because she was exposed to someone who didn't think a worldwide pandemic was a big deal and infected her. This year has been a wake up call and clearly illustrated to me how selfish and stubborn humans are. At this point ten months into this nightmare I have zero patience for people peddling conspiracy theories and downplaying the risks of Covid.
Masks work, science is real.
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I apologise @Giles and I agree. We need to do all we can. This should unite us. My thoughts are with you.
