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Giles

Depends what black you are talking about. If your black jeans have a black (or any colour dyed) weft, then they will be harder to break in because both the warp and the weft have been dyed.

@Giles Got ya! Yeah, do you guys make a black pair with an undyed weft? From what I can find, (at least the 555 cut) it seems like all the black denim jeans have some sort of dyed weft from what I could tell. Could be just plain missing it though

Tago Mago

@Ed-Rekuc Overdyed black might be an option, although this is technically not a black denim. SBG gets some great fades, although warp and weft are both dyed, even if it is different techniques

@Tago-Mago True! I do have a pair of Indigo ODs which did break in easier. I had to rephrase my thought process after writing because I though the SBGs were a undyed weft but then had to re-read the techniques. I guess the only true comparison I had was the Indigo/Indigo vs Indigo/Black that I have, where the IBs were slightly more (for lack of better terms) "Crunchy", but that could just be me. Thanks for the help though guys, I like reading about all the different types products/techniques when I can!

Jett129

@Ed-Rekuc Years ago there was a black/white denim and I still have the jeans in the 555 and 634 cuts. If I can find a picture I’ll post it. Don’t think it was especially popular back then. There are work and western shirts made from a 12OZ black/white denim.

Tago Mago

@Ed-Rekuc I can find these two fabrics:

IH-1634 Black rope dyed warp, white weft
IH-634S-21blk Black sulphur dyed warp, beige weft

@Giles or @Alex will surely be able to add anything else

Jett129

@Ed-Rekuc Found the pictures and tagged you.

neph93

There was also one run of a 21oz black denim with an unbleached natural went than presented as cream/light brown. It was gorgeous. And singularly unpopular. Go figure.

popvulture

SBGs are pretty soft IMO... they definitely don't have that crunch that some of the other dyed weft denims have.

The idea of a black warp and white or natural weft is wild to me — I'd really love if IH made something wacky like that again sometime. Although I do completely get why it might be a tough sell. Kinda niche.

Jett129

@neph93 I seem to remember you having a pair of the jeans. Maybe they were 22OZ? Was there also,maybe, a Type 3,that at some point might have been over dyed? Or am I thinking of something else?

Jett129

@popvulture Levi’s was making 501s like that in the 80s-90s,but even they don’t make them anymore. Haven’t come across anyone else that makes them either.

@Jett129 You're the man thanks!

@Tago-Mago Yo those are awesome! I love how texture they are, like a slate grey! If you work hard enough, you might even get those puppies to full faded white

@neph93 I would have never thought that it would fade to a brown. All these posts are crazy to think of the possible colors and fades by just changing a few things around! I would rock those browns more than my regular chinos

@Jett129 I did find Self Edge has a 22oz Type 3 Overdyed denim jacket. The BSPTIII22OZ. That thing is EXTRA HEAVY chalked up black lol

@popvulture Agreed! SBGs are super soft when you work them in. That's why I had to pause when I read it's black warp and weft. I really thought that maybe it was a white weft at first, hence why they get so soft.

That being said a black warp and white weft I feel like could be just straight pajamas with how comfortable they could get lol

Jett129

@Ed-Rekuc They are absolutely straight up like pajamas/sweats.

pechelman

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Thanks @pechelman that’s really appreciated.

I like the look too @Giles, but it may inform my colour choice

@jerkules you're welcome. I know this is a bit late, but was wearing this shirt today and figured a picture could help your decision.

jerkules

@pechelman looks rad, I really like the colour you went for! Did you use a standard dye kit like Dylon or something?

pechelman

Thanks @jerkules
I used RIT dye using the stove top method and the "Petal Pink". Also used the fixer afterwards to prevent it from bleeding or fading too much.

Also found the original post; it lightens up a bunch after it gets a wash and dry.
https://www.ironheart.co.uk/forum//post/768923

IHSH-227-IND - 12oz Wabash CPO Shirt - Indigo - Now Live

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