Villains (Buying/ Selling/Trading)

[crankyfart]

It seems this issue can be solve amicably so get it sorted soon. Don't fill this forum with conflicts and hate. And since redcris is willing to stand up and sort the shit out, it shouldn't be a problem would it? Peace and enjoy IH in good health.

[LandoCal126 0]

SimonQ and RedChris. Use PM. This is not a public matter. If simon feels he has been wronged he can voice his displeasure in the villains thread after trying to settle it via PM. However, openly discussing it or slamming someone in your sale thread is childish. ANymore posts like the previous ones will automatically be deleted.

Also, if this transaction/ issue doe not involve you just stay out of it.

[crankyfart]

@LandoCal126:

SimonQ and RedChris. Use PM. This is not a public matter. If simon feels he has been wronged he can voice his displeasure in the villains thread after trying to settle it via PM. However, openly discussing it or slamming someone in your sale thread is childish. ANymore posts like the previous ones will automatically be deleted.

Also, if this transaction/ issue doe not involve you just stay out of it.

sorry mate. 

[LandoCal126 0]

@volcano:

sorry mate. 

Nothing to be sorry about. Just needed to be said. Cheers

[Guest]

@LandoCal126:

SimonQ and RedChris. Use PM. This is not a public matter. If simon feels he has been wronged he can voice his displeasure in the villains thread after trying to settle it via PM. However, openly discussing it or slamming someone in your sale thread is childish. ANymore posts like the previous ones will automatically be deleted.

Also, if this transaction/ issue doe not involve you just stay out of it.

Moderator or dictator

[elclintor]

@nerkg:

@LandoCal126:

SimonQ and RedChris. Use PM. This is not a public matter. If simon feels he has been wronged he can voice his displeasure in the villains thread after trying to settle it via PM. However, openly discussing it or slamming someone in your sale thread is childish. ANymore posts like the previous ones will automatically be deleted.

Also, if this transaction/ issue doe not involve you just stay out of it.

Moderator or dictator

tread lightly dude..

that's uncalled for.

[LandoCal126 0]

@nerkg:

@LandoCal126:

SimonQ and RedChris. Use PM. This is not a public matter. If simon feels he has been wronged he can voice his displeasure in the villains thread after trying to settle it via PM. However, openly discussing it or slamming someone in your sale thread is childish. ANymore posts like the previous ones will automatically be deleted.

Also, if this transaction/ issue doe not involve you just stay out of it.

Moderator or dictator

http://www.ironheart.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=announcement;aid=1

"If a member publically criticises a Mod decision or tries to undermine a Moderators authority, they’re likely to be banned immediately."

[urbanwoodsman]

@nerkg:

Moderator or dictator

Bad choice of words there buddy.

[Guest]

@LandoCal126:

@nerkg:

@LandoCal126:

SimonQ and RedChris. Use PM. This is not a public matter. If simon feels he has been wronged he can voice his displeasure in the villains thread after trying to settle it via PM. However, openly discussing it or slamming someone in your sale thread is childish. ANymore posts like the previous ones will automatically be deleted.

Also, if this transaction/ issue doe not involve you just stay out of it.

Moderator or dictator

http://www.ironheart.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=announcement;aid=1

"If a member publically criticises a Mod decision or tries to undermine a Moderators authority, they’re likely to be banned immediately."

Like my old man constantly reminds me, "do what you gotta do."

[MikeC]

The shit that Lando puts up with, I couldn't deal with it. One of the most stand up dudes on this forum and a friend, so watch what you say (not a threat). It's called respect nerkg, look it up. 

[rocket]

guys enough!

@LandoCal126:

@nerkg:

@LandoCal126:

SimonQ and RedChris. Use PM. This is not a public matter. If simon feels he has been wronged he can voice his displeasure in the villains thread after trying to settle it via PM. However, openly discussing it or slamming someone in your sale thread is childish. ANymore posts like the previous ones will automatically be deleted.

Also, if this transaction/ issue doe not involve you just stay out of it.

Moderator or dictator

http://www.ironheart.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=announcement;aid=1

"If a member publically criticises a Mod decision or tries to undermine a Moderators authority, they’re likely to be banned immediately."

and to make this very clear there will be NO discussion about this, if you don't agree, you are open to go a different way..

[DougNg]

I'm going to briefly open this door and then shut it behind me regarding Moderator vs Dictator

There is more than one moderator on this forum, yet we all talk to each other routinely. Rarely is a decision made solo

If someone has a problem with how a moderator has dealt with a thread, you have a problem with all of us

As for Lando, he really takes the brunt of the shit slinging around here, he spends more time on this forum interacting and moderating these forums than the majority of the IH Forum staff. It's not fair, and I respect the hell out of him for never giving up

[Giles]

I'm going to comment here and post in random announcements too.

We have guidelines for a reason.  They are there so that we can try and keep this place a civilised and pleasant place to be.

Do we like banning members?  On the whole, no.  Personally I hate it when we have to do it. But if we do not follow our own guidelines we will allow this place to become a complete mess.

I had an issue recently with a member who accused me of being really lame when I said that if we did not impose some guidelines and follow through with them, this place would descend into anarchy.  He said that on the whole this was a benign place and that there really was no requirement for moderating as on the whole the members were a "nice bunch".

Whilst some of that is true, one of the principal reasons this is a nice place to be and that the member are a "nice bunch" is that the mod team work hard to make it that way.  Personally I scrutinise every single member that applies to join and if I think that they are not a genuine person, I do not allow them to join, currently I deny about 10 applications a day.  If I did not do that we would have anarchy.

I am passionate about this place not being over moderated and will work hard to ensure that it stays that way, but please believe me when I tell you that there is a mass of stuff that goes on in the background that you do not, and should not see.  The moderator team work hard and sometimes have to make difficult decisions, but as Doug has already said, no decision is made lightly, nor is it made unilaterally, we discuss this stuff at length to get a consensus before we do anything.

[SimonQ.]

@madmonday:

so did things work out SimonQ?

No, unfortunately not ;/

@redchris:

waiting patiently

.. and because he waited so patiently, I´ll post the whole story ^^

@redchris:

Hello Simon, are those loafers still available ?

Chris

@SimonQ.:

Hey Chris,

thanks for your pm, sir!

Yep, they are still available and still unworn ^^

Let me know if you have further questions.

Have a great day!

Simon Quint.

@redchris:

Hello Man and Happy New Year.

Very little  money available but I saw you were considering trades.

I have an IH Heavy Chambray in XXL.

http://www.selfedge.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=71&products_id=342

Soaked once, I've probably worn it half a dozen ties, I have too many chambray & denim shirts.

Are you interested ?

Chris

@redchris:

Hello mate,

did you get my message re the IH chambray ?

Chris

@redchris:

Hello Simon,

shall I take it you are not interested in trading against an IH shirt ?

Best regards,

Chris

@SimonQ.:

Morning, dude!

Yep, got your message now. Haven´t been online since the last pm though my GF uses my lappi as well and IH is my starting-page.. so people sometime think that I was online though I have not ^^

The chambray is pretty nice. Hows the fit? Do you normally wear XXL or XL? This was XXL but raw i suppose?

It´s not this one, isn´t it?
http://www.ironheart.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2&products_id=193

Have a great day!

Simon.

@SimonQ.:

Morning

nop, it is not like that. Please have a look at the other pm

Bye!

@redchris:

Morning !

I'm up early, watching THOR for about the x millionth time with my 3 year old son.

I think the one in the link you sent me is more or less the same shirt, but this has a western yoke on the front like the Self Edge one.

My measurements, laid flat: Chest 22" across, Shoulders 19 1/2 across.  Sleeves 26

I can send some pics if you want ?

Chris

@redchris:

Simon,

I am going to list an IH 526J OD on ebay shortly, but firstly I thought I could offer it instead of the shirt.

It is a size 46 , which I think is an XL, or XXL. It is too tight on me.

Hardly worn but I removed the leather patch because it was so thick digging in my back.

Chris

@SimonQ.:

Hey Chris,

sorry for the late response to your pms.

Hm, the 526OD sounds kinda interesting. The only IH-jacket I own is a IHW-02. By the way - I asked my GF to have a look at my closet because I´am not at home and I do own a IHSH-21 which I like but actually its a workshirt and I prefer snap buttons on my shirts.

XL IHSH-21 is too small for you, isn´t it?

What do you think concerning the jacket? Whats that beauty worth?

Have a great day!

Simon.

@redchris:

Hello mate,
That's odd, I prefer buttons to snaps ! What size is your ihsh21 ?
I wouldn't say the shirt was too small, its spot on. Couldn't take any more shrinkage.

The jacket is too small though.

I can do a straight trade, shirt or jacket for the shoes.

Best regards,

Chris

@SimonQ.:

Hey there,

my IHSH-21 is XL. I´d trade that for your chambray but I´m not sure if it will fit you? Id say its a tad bigger than normal XL IH-shirts but it´s still not XXL. I´am sort of in between sizes.. XL in this one fits me great though e.g. XL in IHSH-37 is too small.

I´d love to give that jacket a try (never owned a jeans jacket before) so if you feel like tradiing that one against the beefrolls feel free to tell me. I´d be in!

Where do you live? In the states? I live in Germany. I´d send you the shoes as soon as I arrive back at home (12.01.2012). Of course you don´t have to send me the jacket in advance, I´am patient ^^

Good night

Simon.

@redchris:

Hello Simon,

I live in the UK! That should save us some postage costs.

I am fine with a trade of the jacket for the shoes. You will love the jacket. The black overdue makes it easy to wear with jeans without looking too cowboy.

The xl may fit me. The I H site says it measures 23.5 chest. That will be fiapne if it has not shrunk .

Chris

@SimonQ.:

Hey Chris,

cool, then we have a deal

When I´am back at home I´ll take some measurements off my shirt and message you right away.

Heres my address:

XXX

If you find a pic of showing the jacket or the shirt I´d be thankful because I´d love to see both of them (these two don´t show up too often here ^^)

Have a great weekend!

Simon.

@redchris:

Cool.

Thats a deal.

Unless your shirt is too small, then we can just do the trade of the shoes for the jacket .

Please let me have the chest measurements of your shirt when you can.

@redchris:

Sorry for poor quality

My address is

XXX

U.K.

Best regards, have a great weekend,

Chris

@SimonQ.:

Hey Chris,

thanks for the great pics, super looking forward to receaving the jacket (and the shirt if measurements are ok

Will email you when I´am back at home (late wednesday I suppose).

Simon.

@redchris:

Cool. Look forward to it.

Chris

@SimonQ.:

Hey Chris,

just came back and took measurements of the shirt. It says 56cm - pit to pit. I guess that this is too small, isn´t it?

Let me know, I´ll ship the stuff tomorrow!

Simon.

@redchris:

Hey Simon,

Yes, think that will be too small. Shame.

I am getting hold of some strong packaging today and I will post the jacket tomorrow.

Please can you send the shoes to my work address.

XXX

@redchris:

Simon. Been thinking about that shirt. Have you washed it much ? It appears to have shrunk quite a lot. Do you think a damp iron might stretch it a bit ?
Chris

@SimonQ.:

Hey there,

I got it from Tinman (though he said he has not washed / worn it) so I can´t be 100% sure but I have washed it about 3 times and I wash all my IH-gear 30°C and 600rpm (lowest possible and it shoes no wear at all I´d say.

Not sure wether that shirt might stretch.. maybe p2p is 57cm as well. How about this: I send you the shirt as well and you have a try. If you like it, you send me your shirt. If you don´t like it you send it back to me?

You have some time to think because I forgot about my practical course this afternoon and had to correct some protocols which took the whole morning. Will send out tomorrow for sure!

Simon.

@SimonQ.:

Hey Chris,

don´t I need a Zip-code? I find too many for manchester longsight .. and I´am not too familiar with the british system -.-.

@SimonQ.:

well, DHL online-checkout worked without Zip. Hopefully they don´t mess it up.

@redchris:

Hello Simon,

The zip code in the UK is called the Post Code. M13 0LL

Cheers Man.

Chris

@SimonQ.:

Chris,

heres your trackingnumber: 968531377627 (DHL)
You can track it directly using this link: http://nolp.dhl.de/nextt-online-public/set_identcodes.do?idc=968531377627

Have a great day and tell me what you think about all that stuff

Simon.

@SimonQ.:

Hey Chris,

have you received my packet? What do you think?

Have a great day.

Simon.

@redchris:

Hey Simon,

got it today.

The shirt is great, but the shoes are too small.

I will send the shoes back with my shirt to you.

I am going to list the jacket on ebay this weekend with a start price of £150 . I can let you have it for that price if you want to buy it and ship it free with the shoes and shirt.

If you don't want to buy the jacket, let me know the cost to you to send the shoes to me and I will refund you.

Best regards,

Chris

@SimonQ.:

Hey Chris,

I just came back home from work today and was actually a bit surprised and upset about not having a packet from you here.

I just read your pm but that is not going to help me out.

If you don´t remember it correctly (which might be but is not a problem at all) we had a deal. I send you the shoes and we trade them against your jacket (as you offered :o) and in addition I send you workshirt shirt of mine which you can trade it in against a westernshirt of yours if you like.

I´am actually hugely upset about you not speaking the truth.

@redchris:

Hey Simon,

I am getting hold of some strong packaging today and I will post the jacket tomorrow.

Please can you send the shoes to my work address.

I send out the packet ..

@SimonQ.:

Chris,

heres your trackingnumber: 968531377627 (DHL)
You can track it directly using this link: http://nolp.dhl.de/nextt-online-public/set_identcodes.do?idc=968531377627

Have a great day and tell me what you think about all that stuff

Simon.

@redchris:

Hey Simon,

got it today.

The shirt is great, but the shoes are too small.

I will send the shoes back with my shirt to you.

I am going to list the jacket on ebay this weekend with a start price of £150 . I can let you have it for that price if you want to buy it and ship it free with the shoes and shirt.

If you don't want to buy the jacket, let me know the cost to you to send the shoes to me and I will refund you.

Best regards,

Chris

So you said you´ll ship the jacket on january 13th and in fact waited until january 20th with shipping just to make sure my packet arrived first and you can check everything? Dude, thats not how stuff works here at this board. I - for sure and always will at the IH-board - ship right after a deal is set, which happend here:

@SimonQ.:

Hey Chris,

cool, then we have a deal

When I´am back at home I´ll take some measurements off my shirt and message you right away.

Simon.

@redchris:

Cool.

Thats a deal.

Unless your shirt is too small, then we can just do the trade of the shoes for the jacket .

@redchris:

Hello Simon,

I live in the UK! That should save us some postage costs.

I am fine with a trade of the jacket for the shoes.

Chris

I won´t bother you with any more than the quoted above. Make up your mind, read through the content and see what YOU have written and then answer me. Sorry dude, I have lot of stuff to do here because I have several exams in the near future and I would not have agreed on this deal if I would have know what this will grow up to.

So here are the only two things which you can do now if you don´t want to completely screw up:

1. the deal as set: send me the jacket and the westernshirt if my workshirt fits or send me the jacket and my workshirt if it does not fit.
2. fuck me up and send me the shoes and my workshirt (not your western, that was never a deal so this won´t happen. It was just to accommodate because you said you like workshirt better.)

I expect you sending the packet within the next three working days (which is actually three weeks later as you said via pm..

Simon.

Btw. I wondered at first about you having just 90 postings and not having any feedback in the sellers thread and still I sent you all my stuff in advance (worth about 400$?) I´am a student not a fkcing billionair. hell..

@redchris:

Hello Simon,
I am sorry you feel like this.

The only reason for my delay in sending you the package was to wait and check on your chambray .

If you remember, my original offer was my shirt for your shoes. I appreciate this changed but the spirit of our messages did not tie either of us to anything in my view.
I have returned your shoes as they do not fit. If the jacket had not fit you I would have been happy to accept it back. Likewise with the shirt I have sent you, send it back if there is any problem.

Chris

@SimonQ.:

Sorry dude, but you are talking bullshit.We two men making a deal (see quotes) did not bind us to anything in your view? Whats wrong with people :o

Private sales are final. If you offer a return thats fine. You also could have asked me for a return and I would not have said no but you can´t just take something as granted which is definitely not.

Besides that you "waiting for the shirt" is not ok as well because you just said that you send out the packet tomorrow. Also you did not shoot me a pm because you did not send out the packet (with a delay of 7days ;o)

I see this not going anywhere. Send back the stuff and were done.

quoting fucked
@redchris:

@SimonQ.:

Sorry dude, but you are talking bullshit.We two men making a deal (see quotes) did not bind us to anything in your view? Whats wrong with people :o

Private sales are final. If you offer a return thats fine. You also could have asked me for a return and I would not have said no but you can´t just take something as granted which is definitely not.

Besides that you "waiting for the shirt" is not ok as well because you just said that you send out the packet tomorrow. Also you did not shoot me a pm because you did not send out the packet (with a delay of 7days ;o)

I see this not going anywhere. Send back the stuff and were done.

I did not see the point of sending only the jacket when I was waiting to see if your shirt fit so I knew which one to send you.

I have sent you the shoes plus my chambray. If you do not like my shirt I will send yours back in exchange.

@SimonQ.:

see message before.

@SimonQ.:

1. the deal as set: send me the jacket and the westernshirt if my workshirt fits or send me the jacket and my workshirt if it does not fit.
2. fuck me up and send me the shoes and my workshirt (not your western, that was never a deal so this won´t happen. It was just to accommodate because you said you like workshirt better.)

quoting fucked
@redchris:

@SimonQ.:

see message before.

@SimonQ.:

1. the deal as set: send me the jacket and the westernshirt if my workshirt fits or send me the jacket and my workshirt if it does not fit.
2. fuck me up and send me the shoes and my workshirt (not your western, that was never a deal so this won´t happen. It was just to accommodate because you said you like workshirt better.)

Hello, I have already sent them to you earlier in the week as I had not heard for so long.

@redchris:

Like I said, I will exchange back if you want. If you do not contact me for so long what do you expect ?

@SimonQ.:

well, does not change anything. send the chambray -> (or do you think I send the western in advance a second time? hahahaahahahahahaha) also I´am confused about you not sending me a tracking number if you have send the packet weeks ago… just thinking.

@SimonQ.:

read pm before.

@SimonQ.:

hehe, you really must be kidding me. I could have went away for 5 weeks or even more because our fkcing deal was set. I posted my packet and the only thing not happening was you sending your packet. why should I have contacted you? fuck this - is here a camera around or what?

THE END

Thats it. Just to let you know. No subjective posts from me here - super objective. Not claiming any help from anyone - just felt like everyone should be able to make up is mind in any way.

Simon.

[elclintor]

A deal is a deal IMO.. If you make a deal and something something doesn't fit, sell it.

I had an issue with nerkg a couple months ago where he offered a price for an item of mine. When I replied accepting his offer, he suddenly changed his mind..

Get with it dudes… If you offer a price, follow through if it's accepted. If you make a deal, follow though.

It's not that hard.

[redchris]

Well, well, weell,

Simonq finally grows some and explains his hissy fit on the sales thread.

Some months ago, I contacted simon regarding his Oak St. Loafers and a possible trade with an IH Western shirt I had in XXL. He tentatively agreed although he was slightly worried about the size of the shirt being too big.

My IH 526 J OD became involved in the deal, as did his xl chambray workshirt, which I thought maybe too small at xl.

To cut a long story short , we agreed a trade : My Jacket and shirt for his shoes & shirt. Although we agreed that the shirts were negotiable if the fit was not right.

Therefore I held onto my items whilst I checked his shirt out. i honestly thought this was better than sending my shirt over to him, only to have to send both shirts back to each other.

On receipt, his shirt was fine but the shoes, although very nice, were too big.

I returned the shoes to him, along with my shirt in the exchange. In the spirit of our agreement I did not believe this would be a problem at all.  I would like to add that if he had found my jacket unsuitable I would have been perfectly happy to take it back.

I was wrong, cue multiple pm s of dissatisfaction from Simon.  He also made some cryptic posts on the villains thread, though nothing more.

I offered to return simon’s shirt to him in return for mine back . However, he was not so distraught with the deal that he wished to cancel it entirely.

He has been quite happy to keep my western shirt, so the deal did not destroy his life completely. Despite the tragedy of the shoes, I assumed he would eventually be able to get over the trauma and rebuild his life.

I note from his recent posts however, that he has far from forgotten.

I have no problem with simon, indeed I can understand his point of view. I don’t think he is a villain, maybe you think I am.

However, I have bought and sold a number of items on this forum (with no problems whatsoever).

This has obviously been eating away at him since January, over the weekend he has posted a sales thread specifically excluding me, compounding this by misleading posts about the mods taking me to task etc. something which has never happened.

So that is the story, like simon says above, everyone can make their own minds up. Shame he could not have posted that first.

I have no dispute with simon, I do not even challenge his account of what happened. I just thought we were conducting a friendly deal , not signing contracts in blood.

[SimonQ.]

i dont understand why you write so much subjective stuff - everything needed to make up your mind stands above as quoted by me. this is the objective text and what really happened, not what you wrote. it includes EVERY quote, not missing one, nothing edited, the complete story. does not need explanation though.

i wrote my bachelorthesis in the meantime and had no interested in this topic.

i - of course - as you can see from the quote above (not from your false text..) wrote, that i want my shirt back, you just dont gave it or at least i don´t have it yet. have you sent it? did you not read my pm that that i want my shirt back? i mean have to not read it twice? you must have read it.

this thing is really fun. i mean not only you, also the mods and admins denunciate me although i´ve been here for quiet a long time.

and the only trauma i got is from people i liked, here at this board. not from you - i dont even know you, but from people who have been very kind in the past and just really, really  badly insulted me due to this topic and i just dont know why. i only quoted the story - thats it.

and i did no post this because i believe i get anything back from you - why should you? you know - as i do and every1 else as well, that i have no hands on you. you are in a different country so theres no point in arguing. as the person who has sent his packet first, i got buttfucked. could have happened to you as well, just not did. i just posted this story because i did not want anybody else to feel like this when it is evitable.

haha, sorry dude  - i have not read more then the first two sentences from your post ^^ but this one is golden:

@redchris:

I don’t think he is a villain, maybe you think I am.

you really rock. you not only got me buttfucked - you got ALL the mods and admins so as well. i really admire you though.

thumbs up.

ah, and this one is awesome as well, goes down like butter:

@redchris:

I offered to return simon’s shirt to him in return for mine back . However, he was not so distraught with the deal that he wished to cancel it entirely.

i wrote several times that i want the deal as set or no deal and that i want my stuff back asap (see quotes above).

oh man, i should stop reading the post fro myou, i seriously begin to like you and can learn alooooot from you.

[Chris]

This needs to end.

I don't know and I don't care who's the villain, but this whole discussion should be in PMs.

[hectic]

Yes, please end this.

[SimonQ.]

@Chris:

This needs to end.

I don't know and I don't care who's the villain, but this whole discussion should be in PMs.

oh man, iam so much looking forward to you getting ripped off so i can tell you that you have to sort things out via pm, believe me.

havnt you read, what he just wrote? although the original postings tell something completely different, he just writes down something else and claims this is the truth. i also wrote via pm that i want my stuff back. i got no respeonse (i posted all pms!).

so what - in your mind - should i write him via pm? that i call the policed? grow up.