Random Rants
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ohighyo, sorry about your shirt. Hope you can find a way to repair it.
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Thanks!! So….. How do i do that hah!!!!
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All I have to say is hahahaha. The reason Roy's shit is so expensive, is the hype and marketing that SE puts behind him. There are other people doing this shit, way better (ie White Horse Trading Co), but they don't have hype men. One guy sewing a pair of jeans, with one single needle Singer, is worth way more than one guy using 10 machines, but that's not the case. Before bitching, please research and know the products.
Amen…
ROY was cool when he just started sharing his passion - in other words: making jeans and sharing the goos with the people that appreciated the work and all the little details he put into making a pair. iirc the price for a pair of ROY's was like 150USD back then, purchased from his own website.
now ROY is still ROY and the jeans are still the same ROY jeans as back then, just double the price...shit got pretty crazy during the last few months and imo way outta hand.looks like people are buying ROY items no matter what they are or no matter how "high" the prices are...hype is what i like to call that!
not saying that i don't like his stuff or that the quality of his work isn't any good, just saying that the pricing on his items just got way outta control! spending 370USD on a shirt (talking about this particular shirt. too thin and imo it doesn't look that spectacular at all!) isn't really what i'm after when buying quality gear (and i'm not talking about the price since i can't afford it, more like i know how shit started and this is just way too crazy for me to justify such a purchase + the shitty return policy when being a buyer from overseas)...
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I say good for him. It's outta my price range, but if he can sell out almost instantly why not. He works extremely hard to put out a kick ass shirt. Charge a grand if people will still buy it. I won't but some will. It's a one of a kind shirt.
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Demand is elastic and Roy's supply is probably fairly inelastic as long as it's a single man operation, aside from improved efficiency or perhaps compromises in technique to boost output scale. Right now the demand well outpaces the supply. And if you know how to run a retail operation, you price to the demand. Whether it's warranted hype or not, more people know about Roy and want his product, and thus the market can bear a higher price. It's the fiduciary responsibility of producers and businesses to at least be in the same ballpark as the price that the market will bear. That doesn't make anyone a bad person, it makes them a good businessperson…
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…which makes my post on supply and demand hilariously even more off topic than mine usually are
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great…I just wanted to read all the rants and just in the middle of it, all deleted. Bummer
edit: ok, it's just moved. Thanks for letting us know G.!
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I say good for him. It's outta my price range, but if he can sell out almost instantly why not. He works extremely hard to put out a kick ass shirt. Charge a grand if people will still buy it. I won't but some will. It's a one of a kind shirt.
o/course it's good for him and kiya…and tbh. i think these two more than great muchachos are doing more than great (congrats to that btw. R and K
), so the only thing i wanted to say with my post is that i'm not going to buy any of that stuff (well at least not for the prices asked in store atm!) just because i know how things started/what they used to cost...may sound like a shitty excuse to some, but i just can't justify such a purchase. buying 2nd hand is something else...only talking bout full retail here!
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…which makes my post on supply and demand hilariously even more off topic than mine usually are
For the record… the margins on products we sell have never, not even once, been determined based on demand. The margin on a 3sixteen jean is the same percentage as the margin on a Roy shirt or jean. Roy's products have gone up in price since we first started carrying them because of the fabrics he's started using have cost him far more and more importantly the hours of labor have gone way up.
He CAN make a shirt in 45 minutes, a lot of people can. But when he makes a shirt like this new one, it takes up over 2 hours a shirt. When he was first making jeans he was actually able to make them faster than he is now because they were very straightforward, now he's figured out how to "improve" them and add in more details which he feels make the jean "better" in one way or another. In the end, the price has gone up mostly due to the increase of time spent on each garment with a little bit due to the fabric costs. -
I usually am out of discussions like that. Thanks kiya for switching in. Btw what is Hype? Sorry guys but look at the road champ and how that got "hyped", i have no prob with that. comon' guys
i do not own Roy products btw but admire what he is putting out. Buy it or leave it, i am out 
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I think I recall reading somewhere that part of the increase in price is to accommodate Roy being able to make a living off what initially amounted to being a hobby. So, it's not really fair to say "I won't buy such-and-such because I know it used to only cost X amount of dollars." I think a lot of Roy's fans take this reality into consideration prior to making a purchase and as such are perfectly content in paying a bit extra to have something truly unique.
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Fairness doesn't have anything to do with a personal decision to buy. I have two Roy items that I like a lot… I'm content in paying a bit extra to have something truly unique, but there are limits... at some price point just about anything could feel like a ripoff, but again that's personal.
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I think I recall reading somewhere that part of the increase in price is to accommodate Roy being able to make a living off what initially amounted to being a hobby. So, it's not really fair to say "I won't buy such-and-such because I know it used to only cost X amount of dollars." I think a lot of Roy's fans take this reality into consideration prior to making a purchase and as such are perfectly content in paying a bit extra to have something truly unique.
Interesting insight. I didn't know that about him. Well done that he could produce such great pieces as a hobby.
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150bucks for a pair of jeans wasn't all "hobby" mate…so no matter what, his shit is still on point, his/SE's prices are not (and that is IMO!)…370USD for a "simple" shirt is just too much for my mind to be d'accord with...no hating here, just sharing my point of view!
Fairness doesn't have anything to do with a personal decision to buy. I have two Roy items that I like a lot… I'm content in paying a bit extra to have something truly unique, but there are limits… at some price point just about anything could feel like a ripoff, but again that's personal.
that's the spirit!
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I hear you, Raf. But I think ample argument can be made that this isn't a simple shirt. But I agree, for the casual fan, $370 is an exorbitant amount to pay.
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so much over cost when the true question is value to the buyer. some say 200 used jeans is ridiculous yet we have a thriving buying and selling market filled with inventory which moves. could be argued art which is just colors & paper isn't worth much, but we have museums filled to the brim with works deemed as priceless. great novels are just again ink & paper but yet still millions of people purchase these thoughts put on paper.
wait i'm making too much sense and these are supposed to be rants. so what was i talking about, oh yeah value is all up to the buyer. so stop being so logical & buy your chrome plated bentleys or soak your feet in louis XIII. it's only money. if you a trust fund baby or are on welfare or fall some where in between, it's only MONEY.
hahahahaha, i love the internet
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and I love me some MM
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Even with Kiya's fixed margin pricing, I still think about it in terms of supply and demand, even if you think like MikeC that some or all of this demand is empty hype. If the market doesn't value Roy's time enough to justify two hours and certain materials per shirt, I'm sure he'll figure out a way to make a cheaper shirt, or reassess the value of his time…
