IHSH-293-OD - 18oz Vintage Selvedge Denim CPO Shirt - Indigo Overdyed Black

[neph93]

@DrPat:

Looks like you've violated the first law of denim, the conservation of indigo    If it fades, the indigo has got to go somewhere.

Clearly it must… but given that indigo jeans continue to fade indefinitely, and crocking stops after one or two washes, the law obviously lacks nuance.

[terry]

I wore a white band tee under mine all night last night. No bleed, granted it was about 60F outside and I'm not a sweaty dude.

[yannis]

Just came in. Glad i didnt go 3xl and i got the 4xl. I can deal with the long sleeves. The 3xl would of been way too tight. Awesome shirt. Bravo IH

[yannis]

[neph93]

I’m enjoying all these fits. The while point of the CPO’s is that they are flexible. While intended for layering if you can fill one out as a shirt over a tee, then why not.

[Aetas]

@motojobobo:

Thought I’d wear my beautiful IHSH-178 today as all the new 293 owners receive their new version…

(A IHSH-91 underneath…)

Welcome to the OD cpo wagon!

IH OD CPO‘S…beatiful post @motojobobo

The IHSH-99 thread can echo this.
If someone is interested to dig deeper into one certificate of origin  IHD-01…

[zhivago]

@neph93:

@zhivago:

@neph93:

@theorocks:

Anybody notice the dye staining white T?

I never noticed any crocking onto white tees with my IHSH-178. Nor have I noticed it with OD jeans onto white sneakers.

Seriously? I feel like I have indigo transfer on pretty much everything I own…I don't own the 293 (yet, must resist temptation :D) but I gotta think it would probably drop a bit, or a lot on a white T. Or anything else for that matter.

From regular indigo, sure, but never from OD. And I have had a lot of OD.

Good to know!

[Paul9221]

Big thanks to @Graham for finding me this unicorn that's a bit wide in the chest:

[theorocks]

[mention]Paul9221 [/mention] Great fit ! And  that’s double OD ? looks great [emoji41]

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[Paul9221]

@theorocks:

[mention]Paul9221 [/mention] Great fit ! And  that’s double OD ? looks great [emoji41]

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Thanks!  Those are actually 888XHS. I also thought they came out looking like the OD!  Bad lighting, I guess.

[gniquil]

Quick question for the old timers, the 99 used to have copper buttons. What was the thinking behind switching to the current more "silvery" ones. And can or should one "upgrade" to the copper ones? Opinions?

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[rydor]

These are the same copper buttons. But they used to do the overdye first, without the buttons, and then add the copper buttons on afterward all shiny. At some point (it was mentioned in the forum for either the 99 or the 178 when it happened) they decided to put the buttons on first so they get dyed and oxidize on the surface from the sulphur. So they aren't silver buttons, but copper buttons that have been affected on the surface.

[endo]

This thing is so beautiful, already a favourite!

@gniquil To me these buttons top the usual copper ones. They have both, a 'silvery' and a 'coppery' shine.
Not sure, but aren't they copper buttons that changed due to the dyeing process?

[gniquil]

@rydor:

These are the same copper buttons. But they used to do the overdye first, without the buttons, and then add the copper buttons on afterward all shiny. At some point (it was mentioned in the forum for either the 99 or the 178 when it happened) they decided to put the buttons on first so they get dyed and oxidize on the surface from the sulphur. So they aren't silver buttons, but copper buttons that have been affected on the surface.

Thanks for the info! But what do you guys think of "upgrading" to the non oxidized version. That copper tone looks really nice. Would be kinda cool to have a tribute to 99

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[gniquil]

Sorry just want to add I know eventually the normal copper ones would oxidize into these "silvery" ones. But just like denim, I earn my "fades"

Alright that's silly. Just a thought to share.

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[endo]

@gniquil:

I know eventually the normal copper ones would oxidize into these "silvery" ones.

Is that so? Didn't know that.

[gniquil]

@endo:

@gniquil:

I know eventually the normal copper ones would oxidize into these "silvery" ones.

Is that so? Didn't know that.

From the 99 thread. I'd imagine if you wash the shirt more than a few times or leave it in some type of humid environment (or just give it long enough time), natural oxidation would just occur right? Overdying just accelerates the process.(?)

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[Filthy2123ozjunkie]

I'd be willing to bet money you could clean the oxidation off the buttons with, Tarnex, Coca- Cola, or lemon juice.

[Giles]

@gniquil:

Sorry just want to add I know eventually the normal copper ones would oxidize into these "silvery" ones.

They wont.

[neph93]

@gniquil:

From the 99 thread. I'd imagine if you wash the shirt more than a few times or leave it in some type of humid environment (or just give it long enough time), natural oxidation would just occur right? Overdying just accelerates the process.(?)

For copper to oxidise due to ambient conditions time will be the important factor. But it would take a lot of time.

I have products with IH copper snaps that are five or six years old, have been washed in a machine with detergent multiple times and seen scattered action otherwise and the snaps are a bit darker and less glossy.

Overdying puts the copper through a robust, dynamic chemical process so the tarnishing and oxidisation is extreme. It would take a hell of a long time to get that result through normal wear and washing.