Coronavirus (Covid-19) Discussion
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Just be happy y’all don’t live in Tejas. It’s a concrete jungle out here…
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'As far as I can see, nobody in the Western democracies has found the right mix of measures.
So, because I am certainly not the sharpest tool on the box, I work on the basis that I know a lot less about this shit than others who are privy to data that I cant see, nor probably comprehend. And given that this situation is an unknown, movable feast that we can't control, nor readily understand at the moment, I'll do what I'm told. That is not a position I am particularly comfortable with, but I'm not going to waste my time berating other people who don't know fuck all either.
I am by nature a very sociable animal, I love meeting people and travelling, and I find this whole current situation very depressing. But what I do know is, if I cut my human interactions down now (which I hate), at some point, I may get back to doing what I love.
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[Human rights are sacrosanct to me and I spend my working life ensuring that our rights are maintained regardless of disability. If we don't, we risk going back to Victorian style institutions, and believe me, that still happens.
I have to write statements for the Courts evidencing when and why I think it is justified in law, to deprive a person of their liberty.
Now with that said, I think that the UK Government has been very liberal with the restrictions it has passed into law as a reaction to Covid. The UK public aren't generally as responsible as some of our Continental neighbours. We don't really adhere to the social contract that would make for a more responsible society that say, generalising, Scandinavian and some SE Asian countries do.
Have to disagree with you there. I don't think making people die on their own in hospital is very liberal. My friend wasn't allowed to see her mum in hospital over xmas and the poor women was on her own in her final moments.
People need to be careful, give people space etc. But we need some common sense.](https://www.ironheart.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=4192)
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That’s the rub. We live all these years with the goal of exiting this life peacefully and graciously, and then this, where even daily functions are disrupted. The only recompense is the fact that we don’t really know. Maybe it was much ado about nothing and the spirit of the universe is so omnipresent that nothing that happens in this organic life can diminish at all the magnificence of existence. That’s my hope, that not even the worst thing conceivable can stain the glory of what is. Cause otherwise, we’re fecked. On a scale of 100, we as a whole are at risk of failing the entrance exam to the everlasting. Whatever that may be…
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I personally have adopted a behavior that goes beyond the local rules. I have no problem with people choosing to go overboard too. Based on what we know currently, it is quite clear that meeting someone outdoors is no problem with reasonable rules (6ft apart). Going to say goodbye in person to someone dying of COVID inside an hospital is a completely different ball game and is quite risky.
My issues are with:
(1) Government enacting & enforcing stupid, ineffective laws (perfect example of this: beach closing).
(2) Individuals putting blame on others for adopting a different but still reasonable behavior. -
Four weeks ago.
My wife nans passed away… few days later her brother die.. who was fit. Bury her sister... before his time was up.
Just had a phone call from my in laws today a 38 years die of covid.
Every other day someone is dying...
That all I hear every other day...
Even when you go to the hospital they says come alone for the appointment if you can, unless a kid or a carer needs help.
Pregnant women only allowed person at birth.
For covid
Just like Giles said it hash they don’t let you see anybody..
my dear Paula stay strong..Just a shit time really.
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Twenty people inside a craft brewery: INCONCEIVABLE
Two hundred people inside a Walmart: PRICELESS -
Seems like following guidelines to reduce transmission and death is cooler than other options.
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Paula lost her mum and bother recently. She could not see them. It was shit, and she is troubled by that, but going to see them would have placed her at risk, and therefore others.
Dam that is awful. Please send her our love.
It’s been a awful year for so many.
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I think at least one thing we can all surely agree on, regardless of where on the planet we live is that covid is effecting us all in deeply personal ways now, beyond the headlines we read. That makes it very emotive, and I'd suggest caution in how we discuss the issues we've experienced. I'm not talking censorship, I'm talking responsibility and consideration.
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Everything is shut in Germany except supermarkets and churches. I’ve been watching the Corona parties taking place all week across the street from my apartment.
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You can imagine how challenging the covid restrictions are for care homes and their residents who are diagnosed with dementias.
Human rights are sacrosanct to me and I spend my working life ensuring that our rights are maintained regardless of disability.
I respect this righteous challenge. What a difficult task that must be in each individual case. Seeing what it’s done to my mother has been humbling. Helping those you don’t know personally must be even more daunting. Respect.
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That path leads to anarchy and possibly why the UK is a Covid shit-storm.
Uh, is that leading to uh anarchy… in the UK??? (Sorry)
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@adam313 my Grandad died of heart failure age 94.he had a dementia in the later years of his life. It is a vile disease.
I didn't want to sound pious in my posts. We all have a role to play in understanding, containing, and eradicating susceptibility to this virus. We may not all understand or agree the way to do that, but we can show our fellow people humanity and compassion, that includes abiding to the rules determined by the elected officials.
As @giles pointed out, we don't have the same information or resources at our disposals as our decision makers do.
Things such as outdoor meetings between groups may on the face of it seem to be of minimal risk, but unfortunately our thinking might apply to hundreds of other small groups who decide to meet up on the beach, parkland, mountain range on which we've decided to meet our own, harmless, small group…on the same day, at the same time. Pinch points such as car parks and footpaths risk greater exposure when walking past other people., refreshment kiosks attract people wanting a coffee, toilet blocks get used, the list of possibilities goes on.
Because decision makers can't depend on the public making reasoned, sensible decisions, the same rules apply to everyone unilaterally, as all laws do. The majority of people can be trusted not to murder another person. It doesn't mean we shouldn't legislate against murder in the hope that we all adhere to that social construct. Unfortunately the implications of covid apply similarly...a few irresponsible people place the lives of others at risk, therefore we legislate to protect in the longter.
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Legislating against murder is one thing, legislating against pocket knives is another.
Put another way, legislating against drunk driving is one thing. Enacting Prohibition is another. Can we all agree that Prohibition was a bad idea, was ineffective, and increased the overall misery and crime rate…?
Legislating against innocuous behaviors in the hope it will lead to reduction of noxious ones is the first step towards tyranny. This tendency should be fought systematically, everywhere, anytime by thinking members of society.
