IH-888-XHS - 25oz Selvedge Denim Medium/High Rise Tapered Cut Jeans - Indigo
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@Nashville60 I agreed with Dennis to a point. The whipcord cargos are far superior to any standalone denim I have for warmth and wind resistance. I don't think you'll get as noticeable of a difference as you hope when increasing 21 to 25 oz. I own the 888xhs and while they are warm, they are nothing compared to the cargos, or a merino wool base layer under denim (I ride horses all winter long in Minnesota in jeans with a merino wool base layer).
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My take: Whipcord cargos are very good for cold days. XHS isn't "warm" in the sense that it is not a very textured/fuzzy denim. But it is much more wind resistant than 21oz. The parts of the jeans that are taut and in direct contact with your skin will feel no warmer in XHS compared to 21oz. But for the parts that are looser fitting, or not in direct contact (below the knees) the wind resistance of XHS helps a lot.
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Thank you @goosehd @jordanscollected @Mike_Lima_Papa for the responses!
I have been wearing some light merino wool leggings underneath that get the job done, it just gets a little tight in the fit department. I definitely feel the wind when it's chilly so it sounds like the 25 oz might help in that department, but overall warmth probably wouldn't be better than my 21 oz pair with leggings underneath. Decisions decisions
For those that own both the 21 and 25 oz in 888, is the fit and stretch similar? If I'm a size 32 in the 888S-21 should I go for a 32 in the 8883-XHS?
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@Nashville60 hey man!! Welcome to the slope!! Gets a little slippery round these parts!! I have the 888 in 21oz and 25oz XHS. First off, the heft of the 25oz is just so damn incredible. I do think it adds a bit of warmth. I live in Colorado and we get down to sub zero at times. 25oz is not going to make it feel like you’re wearing thermals or anything compared to 21oz. But there is a touch more wind and warmth retention in my experience. I spend a lot of time hiking and outdoors in the winter and wear my 25oz all the time. On the really cold 5 degrees or below, I’ll put some long Johns on under. Love em!
All that being said, I love my 21oz. But it’s hard to wear them when I know my 25ozers are calling my name. The heft and weight of the fabric just gets me all hot and bothered. Even when it’s all hot and bothersome outside. Then July comes and I give up and give my pasty legs some sun.
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Oh, as for the stretch…my 21oz are The OD and they stretch quite easily. The 25oz are XHS and they take more time to get the stretch but I think they’ve ended up in the same place as far as my waist is concerned. Probably about 3/4-1” of stretch in both.
I have a few pairs of 888s and I recently measured them all and they are uniformly 33” dead on. Even though I know they didn’t all start at exactly one inch less, I think my body’s dimensions pushed them all to exactly the same point.
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Thanks @Mizmazzle for the info! I agree it's a slippery slope. You make the 25oz sound awful appealing, then again there's about 10 other things that I want so gotta pace myself. I think the one thing that might save my wallet is that my big thighs can only fit into the 888 cut
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Children’s Museum fit pic
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Hello everyone,
Newish to the forum but not new to IH. I am currently rocking the 777's in a size 33 cuffed. I do love the slimmer cut but not fully in love with the lower rise of the 777's and skinner thighs. Walking in them is fine and I have owned them for about a year. Moving my legs higher to step over anything is a bit awkward. Having said all of that I do like the way the weight fits me even when it's a lower rise. Looking at the IH measurements for 888 they are a higher rise and a larger thigh. Sounds like my next pair. Would it be safe to say that due to them sitting higher and not on the hip a size 32 would be the way to go? I am an athletic build so fairly flat stomach although that changes with the season
Any help would be greatly appreciated. If a fit pic of my 777's would help please let me know and I can take one. Thanks in advance for any help given.
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@aaronblitz first of all welcome!! Look at the charts and find your right measurement:) some peeps size down in a 888 due the higher rise! I got the same size as my 777 gives me more flexibility on how i wanna wear it and it still looks taperd fitted
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@Karol i think that the 888 will restock a little later due the fact there are still a lot of sizes left. My guess is that the 666 will drop soon.
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We dont drop the same number of sizes per run. We have bell curves of what has sold historically for all product types. As we get more and more historical data these curves get more and more accurate. These curves are based on what we sell directly. A few years ago, we made the mistake of basing the curves on total sales (retailer orders included), because many of our retailers don't take 28, 29, 35, 42 and 44 or XS, XXXL and XXXXL, our bell curves were massively inaccurate and we under-ordered these outlier sizes. It took about 18-24 months for that mistake to work its way through the cycle, but for months we were out of a lot of those sizes, it was painful and embarrassing.
We never get it completely right and never will, demand is fickle, complicated and unpredictable. One of my mantras is that being a successful retailer is not about how often you get it right, but how often you do not get it wrong.
Nirvana for us is to perfectly match supply with demand, we will keep on trying, and may even get better.
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@Giles now that’s an answer that makes my day. It’s fucking awesome approach!
I’m thinking what can be the extra variable here. If there would be a way to incorporate a metric that would measure time between purchases per person. I’m thinking that new folks like me are fucking up the bell curves a bit because we are on this mission to replace our old stuff with what we love from IH and the initial spend will be abnormal compared to future when we will just get into the rhythm of replacing the old IH for new. -
We are massively data-driven. I simply can't believe people who run businesses and don't know the answers to relatively basic questions about demand, costing, pricing etc etc etc. But at some point there is a trade-off between making and selling shit and accumulating and analysing data
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Awesome approach @Giles that’s why i love IH
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@Heavy_blue Perfect that's the approach I was leaning towards. Gives me flexibility when I fluctuate on my weight depending on the season
Looks like if I soak, it will drop up to 1" and then I will gain it back in the stretch by wearing them. -
@Giles I really enjoy it when you and the lads discuss the nuts and bolts behind the curtain so to speak. I can't think of any other brand that does that as openly. It's very interesting.
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@Giles your mantra about being succesful in retail fashion bussiness is a daily bread for all demand planners
It is pretty easy to f**k things up with the size curves orders if you dont look into historical sales&stock data, but even this can be tricky if you dont combine it with actual trends. Great that you are on right tracks with planning!
