American Football (NFL)
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@mclaincausey @jordanscollected Guys I’m enjoying this discussion and I hope you are too.
For the sake of clarity, do you both think the defensive holding penalty was called with the direct intent of helping the Chiefs win?
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@SKT with your wording it seems like a very harsh place to put my money on. Honestly, unless the actual ref comes out and clarifies it himself we will never know, and either @mclaincausey or I's putting a stamp on it would still be pure speculation. I get that my response is taking a step back in a way, but i won't put a stamp on the ref's intent.
I don't think the ref's got a word from head ref upstairs that said "keep this drive alive any way possible", but we've seen favorable calls again and again in the league that are wishy washy. Easily the most discussed this season would be the RTP calls, there have been others too.
In the end, regarding last night i think the ref had an itchy flag hand ready for the smallest infraction, whatever the end result would have been.
Even the refs couldn't fix whatever Hurts' final pass attempt was.
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On an episode of The Manningcast,Peyton noticed that a certain ref would be officiating the game,and that he had called him,repeatidly,for a certain foul throughout his career,even sighting exactly how many times he had penalized him. Eli couldn't believe he knew exactly how many times he was flagged by the ref in question,and added that he never flagged him for that. I'm sure there's lots of stories like that.
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I mean cmon, there's a difference between "bad calls happen" and taking a minute and a half and a timeout away from a team in the final two minutes of a tight game on something you've let slide the entire game.... You see that, right? Not all botched calls are equal. I am not arguing that the Eagles did all they needed to deserve to lose, but they didn't do anything not to deserve a shot at a final drive either.
The game was great up until that point because they refs stayed out of the way. They just couldn't help themselves at the worst possible moment and ruined the game for everyone who isn't a Chiefs fan.
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Two SBs in a row with a chance at game winning drives removed to end the game by extremely questionable calls. Idunno I guess I have high expectations for a dramatic ending when the teams effectively play to a draw.
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@mclaincausey If you don’t want to listen to the entire video at about 5 minutes in Stephen A. Says exactly what you’ve been talking about,which is a valid point.
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That’s basically what I’m saying and I think Dan had good points. Dude counter argues as if there’s even a question that the hold, which barely impeded the route, stopped Juju from being able to get to the ball, which is either a dumb or a bad faith argument. Again, Mahomes was not trying to make a completion at that point. It was a throwaway to take the points and put the game in his defense’s hands. The refs turning it into something else was a travesty.
Thought experiment: had the refs swallowed the whistle and the Eagles won, do you think anyone would be discussing that non call? I don’t believe they would for a minute.
I’ll end it there
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Re "late game" penalties: It's interesting to contrast this scenario with what generally transpires in NHL games, especially during their playoffs. Refs may freely dole out penalties during regulation, but if a game goes OT, they suddenly become very hesitant to blow the whistle unless it's something blatantly obvious. And for the most part, NHL fans are content with that.
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For my money, the NHL has the best rulebook and officiating in professional sports. I love the sport already, and am grateful that the league for all its faults has not placed a damper on the sport and that games remain largely decided by the athletes and coaching staffs.
I don't think the NFL has improved at all with replays and feel that the influence of officiating and the rulebook on outcomes (deliberate or not) has gotten way, way worse since the Rozelle and even the Tagliabue eras.
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I think my officiating outrage meter has been permanently disabled from watching a lot of college basketball. The difference game to game, home vs. away, early-game vs late-game and crew to crew is unbelievable and often infuriating. It would be nice for all sporting events to be officiated with machine like consistency but, you know, humans are involved.
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@SKT true
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@jordanscollected it was a good game
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Detroit
Lions. Every year hope springs eternal…we all know what happens next -
@Jett129 haha yeah, it was like winning the Superbolwl for a Lions fan. I do feel like they’re building something now. I always liked Stanford, but they seemed so unstable during his tenure (not his fault!). I like Campbell…not sure if I will be biting any kneecaps
Before they signed Campbell I was hoping the Lions would get Saleh..he’s a Michigan man! Sauce is super good to. I live in NYC, so Jets are my cousins. Good luck!
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For some unknown reason, I started following the Jets when the NFL first appeared on TV in the UK - which was 40 years ago - but I am in the ‘you can never change your’ team camp, which is why I still follow them, the Mets and the Knicks. Not much to celebrate over the years, but I have got to see the Jets play in London (v the Dolphins (W)), and the Mets twice (in NY v Giants (L) and in Philly (W)).
