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mclaincausey

Tool is sadly way too big for Red Rocks. It is an incredible venue and I'm privileged to go there a lot. The gorge is at least as beautiful but it's hard to beat the sound at Red Rocks.

seawolf

How is Tool too big for Red Rocks? Phish used to play there all the time (maybe they still do?) and they have a massive following.

mclaincausey

Red Rocks only has a capacity of 9.5k. It is remarkable that the Dead played there in 1978 when they had been filling 50k+ capacity stadiums for almost a decade, and I'd not expect anyone doing that again.

Phish now plays a soccer stadium when they come to Denver (Dick's Sporting Goods Park) that holds 27,000 and sells three nights out to the extent that secondary market tickets were selling for well over $500 this year, so the demand simply cannot reasonably fit into RR. Either band would be leaving money on the table and letting a lot of fans down by playing RR. I would think Tool would go for at least the Pepsi Center at 18k if not Dick's, which they could easily sell out IMO, particularly since they are not only popular but tour infrequently. Phish should probably be playing Mile High these days (50k).

BloodnThunder

Tool is also known for choosing venues based on location and sound quality. I could see them doing a two or three night stretch at Red Rocks. A few years ago A Perfect Circle did that at The Showbox here in Seattle (capacity is 1,150). APC played their three albums cover to cover (one album each night). The next time I saw them was a year or two later and they sold out Key Arena (capacity = 17,459).

mclaincausey

I'd love it if they did and I got tickets, but they've already announced Pepsi Center for the Denver stop. Only time I've seen either Tool or APC have been 10k± venues in recent years and the scarcity of Tool tours and the fact that they've probably only grown more fans over the years makes a RR show something they'd have to all have a huge boner to do because it would take so much money out of their pockets. I would imagine it would be hard to get the group to agree to something like that. Think about how many people that impacts when you include their whole crew.

RonakKabra

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seawolf

Fair point about RR. To BloodNThunder's point, Tool chooses venues based on location and sound quality. I saw them in an arena that held 8,800 during the 10,000 days tour. I know a lot has changed in 13 years, especially in the music industry, but I imagine their fan-base is a pretty similar size to what it was in 2006.

Chris

@seawolf:

I imagine their fan-base is a pretty similar size to what it was in 2006.

Their fan base is probably almost exactly the same people as in 2006…

manufc10

@Chris:

@seawolf:

I imagine their fan-base is a pretty similar size to what it was in 2006.

Their fan base is probably almost exactly the same people as in 2006…

I think you're probably right.

mclaincausey

Scored tickets to their Pepsi Center gig.

They became the first band to dominate Billboard's top 10 digital downloads before the new album came out, so I'm not sure y'all are right about the static fanbase. 12 years is a long time for new generations of fans to discover a band, especially in this connected world, and especially as fans' children come of age, and the fans from 10k Days aren't likely to have lost their taste for them. Could be way off of course ¯_(ツ)_/¯ not my problem, I have tickets!

seawolf

Ok, so some new people discovered Tool in that time. How many old farts died waiting for the new album to come out? It's the Law of Conservation of Tool Fans: The number of Tool fans can neither be increased or decreased, and will always remain the same.

Also, it's pretty easy to create a buzz when you drop an album after a THIRTEEN YEAR wait. Of course it's going to be successful.

I mean, Danny Carey is almost as old as Bob Weir It's old people music, and I love it. I guess that makes me old.

Yogi217

Have to thank this thread and all of y'all. I was prepping for my holiday in July and was trying to create some play lists of my favorite 90s and early 2000s music and was hoping tool finally had digital downloads, but they didnt..

My music collection is all messed up after several new computers and hard drives and mixed Napster downloads and CD rips etc. All cds have been trashed by now, etc. So being able to repurchase and download is where I live now…

Anyway, I live under a rock and love reading this forum and to learn Tool was now accessible via download was epic! Haven't stopped listening to them since last Friday. Saw them in NY in early 2000s. I think it was the garden, but cant remember... I am not a music head or big concert guy, but tool, rage against the machine, wood stock 99 (yeah hahahahaha), all awesome. Tool was just amazing. So glad to have all of their albums on my phone now. Love it.

Thanks everyone!

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mclaincausey

If they choose venues based on acoustics, someone has a tin ear: Pepsi Center (known as "The Can") is lacking in that regard. I think they probably have enough firepower to fill any room but given how they kind of threw this tour together in short order, Red Rocks would not be an option anyway, gotta book that one well in advance. But for good sound you could do Mission Ballroom (a revolutionary venue that has to be among the world's best indoor music venues, purpose-built this year just for music), but at 4k capacity I go back to the fact that they can't fit in that venue without leaving a lot of fans in the cold and money on the table. Maybe the tour's a cash grab. I don't really care as long as they bring it.

I'd guess most bands that wait 13 years to release another album never have anyone hear the second album The reason Tool fans get excited that many years later is because we still listen to the amazing work they produced the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the two times before that.

I think the buzz was as much about their content finally being on streaming services as it was a new album, and doing both of those things at the same time and then following them with a tour was definitely a good way to drum up some enthusiasm. I read an interview with Maynard expressing frustration at how long the album was in the making a couple of years ago, so unless he was bullshitting I don't think that the hiatus was by design.

They added a second date to Denver in the latest batch of new gigs. It seems like they started with a smaller tour and perhaps are adjusting based on the demand they're seeing. Not sure how many more albums and tours we get, but if Bobby's still going (sort of) at 71 with the life he's lived (not to mention the Stones, who, older still, continue to rock and haven't adopted the moribund energy and pace that Weir has), I bet Tool could return again with new songs and tours if they want to. I hope they do, as long as their hearts are in it!

seawolf

You're right, I don't think the hiatus was by design. I think they were all busy with their individual projects. Other bands, winemaking, etc

Bobby has started working out a lot and seems to be trying to stay alive in his golden years. When the Beach Boys get together and play after all these years, I don't bat an eye because the music is gentle and classic. The thought of elderly Tool throwing down and rocking makes me chuckle, and I'm here for it.

Jett129

Don’t know much about Tool,but for what it’s worth one of their roadies worked out at the gym I went to. Super nice guy,worked out as hard as I’ve ever seen anyone work out.

neph93

@Yogi217:

Have to thank this thread and all of y'all. I was prepping for my holiday in July and was trying to create some play lists of my favorite 90s and early 2000s music and was hoping tool finally had digital downloads, but they didnt..

My music collection is all messed up after several new computers and hard drives and mixed Napster downloads and CD rips etc. All cds have been trashed by now, etc. So being able to repurchase and download is where I live now…

Anyway, I live under a rock and love reading this forum and to learn Tool was now accessible via download was epic! Haven't stopped listening to them since last Friday. Saw them in NY in early 2000s. I think it was the garden, but cant remember... I am not a music head or big concert guy, but tool, rage against the machine, wood stock 99 (yeah hahahahaha), all awesome. Tool was just amazing. So glad to have all of their albums on my phone now.

All of this is epic [emoji3595]