Coronavirus (Covid-19) Discussion
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@daltmeyer:
This is the hill to die on.
Literally.
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I mean it won't do any good, but just for fun:
https://www.aafp.org/news/blogs/inthetrenches/entry/20200805itt-facts.htmlAnd the "frontline doctors"?
One is Douglas Deibele, who claimed on Twitter in March that he'd successfully treated 500 patients on a combined regimen of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin – curious, given that Deibele is a dentist who has not practiced medicine in more than two decades, having set aside teeth in favor of acting.
And why they're lying:
https://theintercept.com/2021/09/28/covid-telehealth-hydroxychloroquine-ivermectin-hacked/ -
@daltmeyer:
No alternative opinions in this thread? What a shame. I'll say a piece and move on. I see the aggression to people earlier in thread that don't go along.
Nobody is going to be mandating to me or altering my immune system. The line is drawn. This is the hill to die on.
America's Frontline Doctors has successful alternative treatments. Find one. Do a video appointment if you get sick. Keep your god given immune system.
I wont be responding to rabid vaccinator comments. I say this with love to my fellow forumites that I care for deeply. There are alternatives. I wish you all good health
No issue with alternative opinions, the facts aren’t opinions:
1. Vaccines don’t alter the way your immune system works, they leverage the way it works and train it to work better- just like any natural infection does without the poor consequences
2. You are far more likely to die if unvaccinated and you are far more likely to infect others (at least pre omicron) who may in turn die.
3. 4.5 billion people and growing by millions every day have had at least 1 dose of vaccine - there is plenty of data if you are concerned about outcomes. -
72.8% have had at least one dose, 61.1% fully vaccinated, and 17.0% boostered.
The same will happen here with Omicron.
One of the saddest things to see is that a lot of the people who needlessly and pointlessly leave their families behind because they failed to get vaccinated then burden their communities with GoFundMes because they don't have life insurance or health insurance, or don't have savings for a funeral, or whatever. The lack of personal responsibility and accountability is really a huge self-own and distressing to see. Virus or no virus, this lack of preparedness will surface in ugly ways in the coming years as we face a retirement crisis as well as a pandemic of obesity-related illness. We just don't have our shit together and it's gonna keep costing us.
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Hong Kong study in English (Link in this article) @neph93
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I really want to weigh in here but I’m saving my strength for dealing with family and friends in rural Missouri where the vaccination rate is around 36%. Also, our Attorney General just sued a bunch of school districts to lift mask mandates. My tank is running on empty dealing with this here and I vacillate daily between rage and despair. Sucks.
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I had AZ for first dose, Moderna for second, and I’ve got my Pfizer booster booked for the 20th. Maybe some sort of super power with the trifecta
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@jonesy4885:
Hong Kong study in English (Link in this article) @neph93
Excellent, thank you. I did look over The Gruniad expecting it would be there but it looks like I missed it.
EDIT: Having read the Guardian's take, I'll stick to the Norwegian version in the future. VG interpreted the findings with a much more positive angle
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Haha. I’ll take whatever Health Canada Recommends. There advice has been that the best vaccine is the one that’s available and that’s what happened to me. Just a different brand In stock each time I went.
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Any thoughts on the Joe Rogan Podcast featuring Dr. Peter McCullough..
He's Vaxxed, had covid but believes up to 80% of all covid deaths could've been prevented if therapeutics were utilized in "sick" people prior to hospitalization. almost 2 years in and there is no official treatment for covid only the vax..
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@Matt @SKT I tend not to try convincing anyone who is sceptical/hostile to the idea of vaccines. As has been said, it is testing, frustrating and 99.9% of the time a wasted effort, at a time when we all need some extra reserves.
I say this with all respect to @daltmeyer and anyone else with opinions about this based on intuition, gut feelings or a non-science based approach (and I do not mean that condescendingly). We all have ideas and prejudices that wither under the cold light of truth.
I have however met some very wholesome people who are quite strongly opposed to, and worried about the vaccines but have themselves chosen to take it, either because they are concerned for their families, or because they see that it can assist the health service. That is very human, and very warming at this time.
